Now that we know that there might be (a) guest(s), tea party, and a boutique who is coming for sure?
Just wanted to see how many lolita's are going to get together for this monumental event! Yay, first boutique ever for the US loli's.
Koni is currently working with Cosplay Oneesan and "Guest(s)" to bring the best of the best. It will be a treat for us all~ Please come and support the brand(s).
This might sound like a crazy idea (hell, it sounds like one to me) but I know how many people are skeptical of or even resentful towards Tokyopop and their efforts involving the lolita community. But what if, instead of just yelling at them, we fought back?
I know that our community has a wide range of people in different fields and with various talents and such. I think that combined we have the manpower and the resources to pull something off. My suggestion would be to take a stab at their market, via their so-called "westernized" version of the lolita bible.
My own personal fears, which you might share, is that this bible will be filled with things like cosplay, maid costumes, cheap lace, Gwen Stefani, Princess Ai, and Hot Topic. These are all things that the ignorant eye sometimes sees when they think about lolita, a perception we have been fighting to change for a long time. I'm afraid that Tokyopop's work might become a step in the opposite direction.
What we could do is build our own bible. There exist ways of self-publishing which won't break the bank. What I'd like to know is if this is something that you believe would be doable, enjoyable, beneficial, worthwhile, etc. (Even if you don't think it would affect anything, it might be fun ^^;) Another thing I'd like to know is if anyone would be willing to work on this project, and what you could bring to the table. Keep in mind that this IS a large thing to take on, and depending on your level of involvement it could be a bit demanding. Don't try to take on too much!
For me, I'd be willing to put quite a bit of my free time and effort into this. What I could bring to the table is my knowledge of graphic design, english studies (proof-reading/editing/writing and such), and any experience I have as a Business major.
If any of you have any other suggestions, that would be cool too. And I won't be offended if you think this is the worst idea ever, so feel free to say so. XD
EDIT: Several of you have expressed a concern regarding the possibility of such a thing hurting La Vie en Rose's market. This is the last thing I want to do! I do believe there are ways to avoid such a disaster; it would involve intense planning, strategy, and communication on both our parts. My intentions are not to make something like La Vie; they are a bi-monthly publication similar to a magazine. I would like to lean this project as close to the original bibles as possible; It would be more of a seasonal, annual, or bi-annual publication, sort of a "foundation publication". La Vie has the advantage over this with its frequency and versatility.
We should all post haikus about lolita, I'll go first:
Sweet lolita is
my fav. But I guess I like
egl as well.
Novala in jail
God please save the gabriel
but not his poor ass
Ten lumps of sugar
In my over-milked earl grey.
Don't spill on my brands
Over knee, knee high?
Either way, my knees look fat
In this vm dress
Okay, so I've been reading all the comments about how everybody's concerned about the commercialization of Lolita and whatnot, and I've always been kinda intimidated by this community, so I know I'm taking a big risk by posting this, but...
Is it really necessary to have a Lolita "lifestyle" to wear the clothes?
I've done my homework. I've read everything about the Victorian era I could get my hands on (because I've always been obsessed with their obsession with death), I bought the Summer issue of the Gothic and Lolita Bible recently at a con (and admire it practically every day), I LOVE THE LOLITA fashion. But it's not something I can afford to blow tons of money buying off the Internet.
Are you guys really THAT offended when some of us get our stuff from thrift stores and customize it? Or make our own outfits? I posted my first attempts at wearing Lolita a few months back, and got quite a bit of criticism, and when I saw some people at GenCon wearing Lolita and shared my concerns, they said it looked fine. Is it really required that everything we wear be super-expensive? Not all of us have that kind of budget. (I WISH I could afford a nice Meta dress... but no.)
And if I wear just jeans and a hoodie some days, alternating with my Lolita clothes, does that offend you? I can't wear it everyday- it seems impractical.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to do Lolita because "it's the latest thing" or to be edgy or anything. I genuinely like it. But if it upsets some of you that much....
(I apologize if that came off as a flame or anything. I just want some perspective on things. Even if you guys tell me to stop, because I'm doing more harm than good, I'll probably keep going on anyway. So apologies for that in advance as well.)
Something in the "feeling kinda threatened" really struck out at me, and that was all the comments on "high quality material."
In response to the original post, people started to say, "we don't look down on you if you're not wearing burando!" And then later, there were people who were basically saying, "we don't look down on you if you're not wearing burando... except you'll never be a good enough lolita because you don't have high quality fabric."
And yes, if you look in that thread, you'll see it. I'm not making it up.
And so my question, or more of my request is - for those of you who own these "high quality materials" to provide some examples and comparisons to "non high quality." Because honestly, I'm a little confused myself. I was under the impression that some of the cottons that I've bought at the fabric store (joanns, yay!) were just as good as some of the dressy tops (not lolita) I've bought from stores.
I know it's sort of difficult to compare fabrics over the internet since it's such a tactile thing, but if any of you could at least try, that would be very much appreciated. Because it sucks to be condescended to (oh yes, and that's what it is), and I'm sure all of us would like to change that aspect in what we wear (so people DON'T say those things to us).
In one of the earlier posts where mention of fighting back, I said in a comment that I would try and contact Tokyo pop and see just what I could do as far as enlightening them to our worries and concerns. I called and was forwarded to the junior editor and left her a message to call me back. I will update as this plays out so everyone will know.
EDIT: Junior Editor not Junior Vice Editor
Yes! She was very quick to answer me! :D Not to mention she was very kind. This woman is not only doing her research but she watches EGL and a lot of her information comes from some of our most awesome members and not just from media coverage.
She stated that she had read the posts and she was losing sleep over everything that was happening.
"If you're passionate about something then you want to see it treated very well."
"We are trying to make it a balance between the hard core fans whom know everything about it and those who are new to it. Trying to keep it open to them. It's trying to keep a balance between the two. Definitely not write it off as cosplay. Definitely not write it off as maid. Those are two completely different things. We are trying to make it something that everyone can enjoy without damaging it's image. I know that a lot of people were saying 'why don't they talk to fans, we know, we know.' Truth be told Michielle Nigen (Sp?) who is now is Japan, was a member. She goes by I_AM_CHUBBY_BUNNY (I can't remember how she wrote her user name.). She ran one of the panals at Baltimore which is where I also met Sakura_Fairy. We had her contacted for an interview to highlight the EGL community and its significance. We had her contacted for an interview about herself in general."
Then she told me that Sakura_Fairy seemed to drop off the face of the planet for a few weeks and she has contacted a friend of hers to see if she can get a hold of her.
"If she doesn't contact me by the end of this week, I am going to try and contact Amy Major. She will be going to the Anime fest to promote her book which is called 'Japan Ai.' She is a member of the EGL community and I think they promoted her books for a while because she is so prominent and very well versed in gothic lolita fashion. She makes her a lot of her own clothes and I know that she is a really great source to turn to."
I then told her about our concern already with people, mainly the gothic middle and high schoolers whom could missinterpret the fashion as some hot topic, gothic, cosplay thing.
"Well Hopefully I put some of your hearts at ease by saying we're definitely referring to the hard core fans that are in the community, are in the know, who have been doing this for a long time, with Michielle, Sakura_Fairy, Amy Major as I said. I think that they're our most reliable sources, that we're going to these people."
"AmaniKitty (Spelling corrected! :D ). Totally not threatening! I was totally sad that they were like, 'they're trying to step on our toes, they're trying to threaten our...' or anything like that. It was totally just bad communication that we did not... I mean we asked our convention manager was their a panal yet and he said he'd look into it. We don't wanna undo anyone's panals at all and if anything we're gonna change our panal to be more focusing on the bible which is what we're doing and we should focus on the book. As for the fashion, leave it to the experts. If you guys are gonna discuss it, that's great, I hope you have a great turn out."
"We want to make it open to newbies without calling it cosplay."
I was hoping to meet some fellow Loli's around the Panama City area? Maybe I'm the first one :-) I am really new to being a Loli but I would like to make some friends around here.
Hello, I'm interested in organizing a possible meetup in the Monterey/Salinas, CA area, and I want to see if there are people able and willing to go? If so, please leave a message here with availability, if known. If there's about.. 6 or more people then more details will follow..