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13th-May-2014 08:06 pm
It has come to my attention that an often-referenced "ita/cosplayer" in anime is more accurate than previously known. I found this pretty cool :)


Kuroneko (Ruri Gokou) from OreImo was mentioned a month or so back as an example of how Lolita is incorrectly portrayed on more recent animes. After some digging on hellolace, however, I found an eerie similarity...

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Her outfit, with exceptions around the neckline, matches up pretty well to Victorian Maiden's Cross Shantung Double Skirt and other pieces. (http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/victorian-maiden/type/skirt/item/8/)



The show does refer to her more as the cosplayer/"goth loli" girl than treating Lolita like a non-costume fashion, but I was surprised to see that her outfit was more directly inspired by real brand pieces.


Comments 
14th-May-2014 02:16 am (UTC)
I always thought her outfit looked really cute in that show, not ita at all. Or like the right amount of inappropriate and tacky to match her character, lol.
14th-May-2014 02:27 am (UTC)
That's... actually really hilarious and awesome. Kuroneko is one of my favorite characters but I always found her clothes to be kind of ita - I guess she's just super old school <3
14th-May-2014 02:44 am (UTC)
I remember crosses on skirts like that being a really big thing ages ago in Lolita. Or at least, it's what I noticed a lot. I remember it being like 2004 and I was drawing a Gothic Lolita pixel doll for a friend and I literally had no idea what to put on the skirt other than crosses and sitting there thinking "What else can POSSIBLY go along the hem of a Lolita skirt?"

14th-May-2014 11:14 am (UTC)
Wow, that's amazing! Surely you had loads of other options...like a strip of white lace around the bottom, or tiers of ruffles. xD
14th-May-2014 03:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah there were some embroidery/screen print border prints out at the time xD but literally the only thing that myself (and apparently the group of pixel dollers I was active with) could possibly come up with were crosses. Once, I mixed it up and used skulls. Mostly my rambling point is whenever I think about costuemy anime-ita I think of really really old styled Lolita, as seen by people like me who didn't know anything about Lolita, and that leads me to thinking about black dresses with white crosses on the bottom.

Edited at 2014-05-14 03:36 pm (UTC)
14th-May-2014 04:25 am (UTC)
It could be argued that continuing to wear clothes from well over a decade ago is in fact "ita" for that very reason alone. I mean if you look at other alternative fashions and especially mainstream fashion- if someone wore something from 10-15 years ago it's likely thought to be out of style. Now me being the thriftstore shopping, old school lolita loving person that I am, I don't fully believe that, just playing devil's advocate ;)
14th-May-2014 05:22 am (UTC)
That's definitely the way some people seem to see it, annoyingly enough :) Remember when lolita was a rebellion against mainstream fashion *g*?
14th-May-2014 05:53 am (UTC)
Or they're hipsters.

In fact, one could say that we Lolitas are just really, really frilly hipsters!
14th-May-2014 11:28 am (UTC)
Definitely in mainstream fashion, but I can't really think of an alternative fashion where that would hold true unless you were wearing something that was already clichéd back then, or something that was a short-lived fad half the subculture sneered at. 10-15 years ago is long enough ago that half the people now into the fasion will never have heard of the trend (or know it's now passé), and most of the other half will think it's either ironic or some attempt to be oldschool.

I'd be interested to know if/how the presence of shops like Closet Child (and more awareness of the fashion among the mainstream population) changes the perception of oldschool stuff in Japan...whether wearing oldschool stuff is seen as unfashionable, but also a sign you've been into lolita for years and years and have a well-established wardrobe, or more as a sign that you're new to the fashion and picked the cheapest stuff you could find secondhand (and liked those pieces because they were popular in media representations of lolita?)
14th-May-2014 03:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah I don't really think that alt fashions go through the same sort of cycles as mainstream fashion? There are obviously current trends, and you can sometimes easily place when a photo was taken by the outfit, but it's not really passe or outdated? Unless, like you said, it's something that's very cliche or was maybe part of some sort of "mainstream alternative" wider trend (like mid-2000's "scene", and I have a feeling that "nugoth/pastel goth/witchhouse/whatever" is going to look super dated in 5 years) a lot of alt fashions just kind of katamari up all their trends instead of tossing them aside when they're over.

I would be very curious how old school Lolita is seen in Japan too! Maybe it's not even considered "old school" at all because the styles are more readily seen by the dozens and secondhand shops and the plainer "old school" styled brand new releases are more apparently sold in store. I feel like in the west our awareness is always being filtered through what's popular, just because we mostly rely on the internet to see other Lolitas?
14th-May-2014 07:17 am (UTC)
Oddly enough, modern anime does seem to be stuck on old school lolita. I think the only "ita" aspect of her outfits (as opposed to just old school) would be that sometimes, she wears cat ears.
14th-May-2014 10:30 am (UTC)
Hah, she kind of reminds me of this character (Natsuki Minamiya) in Strike the Blood


Edited at 2014-05-14 10:30 am (UTC)
14th-May-2014 04:23 pm (UTC)
Well.. some say "old-school is ita", and while I don't agree, I see why. The oldest references are repeated over and over again. Maybe new lolitas could feel offended because this portrayal show no evolution.

If we saw a person with those bell-shaped white pants of the Disco era, we would think is "ita" (in the normal world), but then, in the Disco era, it would be super "in".
15th-May-2014 02:25 am (UTC)
She looks more like she's cosplaying Suigintou from Rozen Maiden to me...
15th-May-2014 04:22 am (UTC)
annakushine1

Anna Kushina from K project [2013] also has an "old school" outfit...which yes, modern anime seems to be stuck on. Always the shoulder caplets!
15th-May-2014 06:29 pm (UTC)
This is probably one of the least offensive designs I've seen. That miniature hat has got to go, and the color-scheme's a little wonky, but they got pretty close!

Edited at 2014-05-15 06:30 pm (UTC)
16th-May-2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
Anna is wonderful. Have you seen the new trailer for the movie? She does some awesome powers-y stuff in that, and it looks really great! ... also Kuroh with his hair out <3
16th-May-2014 08:58 pm (UTC)
Honestly i think that the dress is ita :) There are similarities, but i dont think that just because there is a dress out there (Brand or not) that it makes the anime one any more excusable. I always thought, and still do think, that cross outfits (like the stereotypical gothic lolita ones) are very ita, and would not wear them. I think that animes get sweet lolita pretty spot on a lot, except the random ones where they add bells, or too many odd ruffles, or a weird shape, or cosplay elements. :)
16th-May-2014 11:50 pm (UTC)
I don't think they were exactly going for lolita, but I still think Nunnally is the best almost-lolita-style character in anime. Or at least, this is the best classic lolita outfit in anime.
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Also, this one. She can be excused for being sort-of-ita here since she's like six years old (and way too adorable even considering).
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Also, she's both a princess and Alice in Wonderland. So there's that.

But then there's others... I stopped watching one show because of this ridiculous pink x black... thing... (and the show was boring anyway)
28th-May-2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
I was actually quite fond of OreImo and never thought Kuroneko was ita at all. The silhouette and everything works, the only thing kind of questionable is the headdress but frankly I think she pulls it off and that's all that matters. There are a couple of times it's referred to as "cosplay" but that's specifically because in the Summer Comiket episode she mentions that she's specifically cosplaying a character from her favorite anime which has a very gothic-victorian inspired setting. I think the most important thing to note is that Kuroneko dresses like that on a near-daily basis, when she's not in school uniform or just at home, so it's not really a costume to her.
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