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Are all Men pedophiles? Do you find the film clip more insulting than the poster? (clip inside) 
13th-Dec-2012 01:39 pm
A while ago we were brought to our attention the documentary "Are all Men pedophiles?". While the subject may or may not interest everyone on a personal educational level, what really threw us off was the use of a lolita on one of their movie posters.

It has been a while now and one can easily find the film online (much to the dismay of the filmmaker who charges $30 for the 70 minute DVD). I took on the film maker's offer to watch the film and not make "wild assumptions". I have picked out and uploaded the "section about Japanese culture" that the film maker said is the reason why there is a lolita on one of the posters. Unlike other sections of the film that study the subjects of The Church, US fashion/model industry and so on, the section on Japan is... one minute long. Does he offer enough information about the subject in that minute?


Here is the clip



Now just for a quick update here was the film makers response to our protest of the use of the lolita on the poster:

“The documentary does not offend Lolita nor does it compare it to
pedophilia. Wild assumptions about what pedophilia is or isn’t is why
the documentary was made in the first place.

The reason why we choose Lolita is because in the film we do a section about Japanese culture.”

Frankly there are many things wrong here. The filmmaker seems to forget the power of suggestion. While he doesn't outright say that lolita is a fetish fashion aimed at lolicon, nor does he try to clarify that there are other fashion styles (talking about lolita here) that fall victim to lolicon. Seeing as there are only three images given to accompany the narrative about lolicon it is easy for the average American (or English speaking viewer) to think that lolita = lolicon. You can also call on the fact that he does not show a real (japanese) lolita or any real interaction with them, just HIS model in HIS studio. He could be making everything up for all the viewer knows. He doesn't even go and explain the simple definition OF lolicon which means "lolita complex". That would also require a back story on the word/name lolita based on the book. If lolicon was such a "wide spread cultural phenomena" as the film maker says than why would the Japanese try to make laws for it?

It's one thing to draw in viewers with an image of a lolita and associate it with pedophiles, because he could have very well pointed out the real information and contravery surrounding the fashion. But it is clear in this short clip that the film maker has no clue what lolita is about and what the average Japanese man likes/behaves. HE makes "wild assumptions" and creates an image to the uninformed viewer that lolita IS a fetish fashion.

I think that is far more insulting than the poster.

Also this movie has won some sort of award. OUCH
Comments 
13th-Dec-2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
I thought we were all done with this thing... it's pretty obvious the guy just made the film to make people upset and gain attention from us, and our outcry just gave him what he wanted. We've been helping him by discussing this thing so much, I think it's better to just forget it.
Thanks for posting it though, I was curious about if it was as misleading as the poster, and clearly, it is. This guy should just give up and find some other way to make money instead of making "documentaries" on things he doesn't have a clue about.
13th-Dec-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
We already had this exact same thread months ago. Can we please not rehash it?
13th-Dec-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
Old news be old. The situation is pretty much over and everyone (including the mainstream public) has been laughing at some dumb troll of a filmmaker who wanted attention oh so badly.

Literally, no one believes him. Especially not all those apparently "pedophilic" men. XD
13th-Dec-2012 07:36 pm (UTC)
I am glad I was able to see the clip now, I almost forgot about it but at least I now know what it is about. Thank you!
13th-Dec-2012 09:16 pm (UTC)
I have to buy the movie. I want to see the whole film ^^
13th-Dec-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
Like what has been said, the film is shock value. They want the reaction. The shoot they did for the movie cover was edited to look like it was for a Japanese magazine, and using Moetan as the example of culturally accepted pedophilia in anime is like using a violent pornography as an example of how domestic violence is culturally acceptable.
14th-Dec-2012 12:52 am (UTC)
I was wondering what that Magical Girl sequence was from. That was a WAY over-the-top example of lolicon and mahou-shoujo anime.
13th-Dec-2012 11:18 pm (UTC)
Maybe because I'm calm and have totally blown over this subject, but as an average person I didn't learn anything about Lolita and had forgotten about it promptly. I even forgot what Lolita was called for a second because it was so small I wasnt even able to pay attention to it. All I saw was anime. Most people would be like this since Lolita was shown for practicly a second and would forget about it - hence movie veiwers attention span. I believe unless you were the Lolita and knew of its culture or was specifically looking for it, the image of Lolita would just be blown over their heads, especially since they didn't even explain it, talked about it, or even shown it for even a minute. I don't even remember if he even stated the fashions name. I don't find this insulting and most normal people wouldn't have even remembered and only be weirded out by the longer showed dressing of a 5 year old girl.
13th-Dec-2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
The award that it won appears to be some really obscure Dutch thing. I wouldn't make too much of it. Also, the director financed almost the whole thing out of his pocket. That means that almost no one else supported the movie. As other people have commented, I think we should stop giving this guy attention.
14th-Dec-2012 12:13 am (UTC)
Definitely insulting. He shows a magazine that says "lolita" with a lolita on it, while voicing over how it is a fetish aimed at men. WTF? Completely wrong and offensive. Enough said.

I hope his movie gets pirated like crazy and he makes no money. Making a movie like this, completely distorting facts and sexualizing things without explanation - he's no better than a pedo himself.
14th-Dec-2012 01:21 am (UTC)
Lolita= Lolicon. Seems legit *sarcasm*
14th-Dec-2012 03:17 am (UTC)
assholes : T
14th-Dec-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
I have seen the whole movie.
In general it was laughable. He tried to make it sound like he was doing somethign that was big or controversial, but his message in the end was simple.
We use pedos too loosely to describe anyone under 18 when it really is just about girls like around 11. Liking girls at 16 is normal because that is when they reach sexual maturity, and the rest is cultural stuff.

I dont see it as saying lolita=lolicon, I see it saying exactly what it says, in japan there is a culture that is all about the youthfullness of children, which is shown in the lolicon anime stuff, and in lolita which is something that can be seen in a childish way. In the context of the whole film it doesnt even register that he is saying much about the fashion and without really talking about it such a short mention of it doesnt affect the perception besides some weird japanese thing. It is just another example of cultural differences.

If you want to get fun stuff from the film, go to the part where he actually interviews pedos. I beleive he got a women, which is probably a feat in itself considering how few convicted sex offenders are women. To get one that will go on camera (hidden a bit of course) and talk about how she acts around children? Brilliant.
1st-Jan-2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
Uhg, this stupid movie again! >_
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