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AatP/BtSSB Disney collaboration review 
8th-Nov-2012 05:24 pm
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As for me, it's usually hard to decide whether I want the print or not until I see pictures of a real person wearing it. Since these two prints are supposed to be Japan only I thought I'd post a review with pictures so those of you who can't decide whether you want the print or not could make up your mind (:

I'll start with the AatP print, because initially I liked it much better. At the last moment I changed my mind about wanting it in white and asked for the navy colourway.


The top of the print is a very nice-looking arabesque-like pattern, the bottom is four Disney illustrations of Alice in Wonderland with half-painted red roses and crowns on the bottom. There are several gold highlights on the print.

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There are two major downsides to this skirt. The print is misaligned. Majorly.


My second dislike is that the underskirt is considerably smaller than the skirt itself. The "petty", if I dare call it that, isn't supposed to add any volume, only create the thrice-damne bell-shape. I don't like. I like my skirts full, and with this underskirt it's rather impossible. =|


And now you know why there's dog hair on a barely out of the package skirt.


The waist-ties are not lined.


How it looks with a petty:


While I was taking the picture, the second skirt was highjacked by my cat:



I was rather surprised by how much I liked this skirt in person, because I was having a lot of doubts about it. My mom liked it more than the AatP one, she says it looks like there's a lace overskirt over it. Sounds nice :D I'm not sure if I should get a wine shirt or an ivory one, or if it looks good enough with black? What do you think?

The print on this one is more intricate. The bottom is three Alice in Wonderland illustrations.

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The print isn't aligned perfectly either, but still much better than on the AatP skirt.


The top is three rows of different Alice-themed designs. (you can see only two of them on the skirt)


The waist-ties are not ligned.


Both skirts are prone to color-bleeding; the Baby one is 96% cotton and 4% rayon, the Alice one is 100% cotton.

UPD. I am hoping to go to Orlando sometime in spring before my US visa expires and I was wondering if it's a good idea to wear either of these skirts to Disneyland? I remember the posts about socks and wigs being big faux-pas, and I was thinking if Alice print would sort of work like Mickey ears (=visitor) and wouldn't result in me being kindly asked to leave? What do you think?

8th-Nov-2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
Not necessarily related, but your dog is heartbreakingly adorable! Too cute.
8th-Nov-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
Ahaha, thank you :3
8th-Nov-2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
I wasn't keen on it from the official pictures, but it looks a lot nicer on! I own quite a lot of BTSSB skirts and the print is never aligned on the seams, and the waist ties are not double-sided. I think this is normal for them.
8th-Nov-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
Of the official pictures I only liked the Laforet-Harajuku special designs - but you can't really go wrong with a simple skirt. And the skirts turned out so much better than I expected! Especially the red one - I kept on mentally beating myself for buying it and now I love it so much...
I didn't expect perfect print alignment - AP doesn't have it either, but with the crowns it's very noticeable.
8th-Nov-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
I really like the prints on both skirts c: Thank you for taking the time to offer a review!

Out of curiosity, though, why do you say the prints are prone to color-bleeding? I've had many BTSSB/AATP items made of the fabrics that these skirts are and I've never had an issue with bleeding. I was thinking about ordering these and I'm curious to know what's different about them that makes them prone to bleeding.
8th-Nov-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
They actually say it right on the tags xD The Baby skirt in English: "Do not leave the product wet, dry immediately. There is possibility of color shift and fading, cleaner's advice recommended. Friction can cause color shift." I may be reading too much into it, but in my experience color transference is a clear sign of color bleeding when washed.
You're welcome!
8th-Nov-2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
How funny, I've never seen that notice on BTSSB tags XD That sounds like a pretty logical assumption to make, though! Thanks for clearing that up~
8th-Nov-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
Haha, yeah it's on one of my Baby skirts, too, and a JSK from them that I have.
8th-Nov-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
Most of my print pieces from them are a bit older (I think the most recent one I have is from 2009?) so that's probably why I haven't noticed it XD
8th-Nov-2012 04:18 pm (UTC)
My oldest piece that has it is 2010, ironically. So they probably did start putting it on around then xD
4th-Aug-2013 06:47 pm (UTC)
This is old, but, it's written on my 2009 Merry Sweet Castle. It's only in Japanese, though.
8th-Nov-2012 05:23 pm (UTC)
My clockwork teaparty skirt says it too; I'm guessing it's something they started in the past couple years.
8th-Nov-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing these pictures!

How do you know if something is prone to color bleeding?
8th-Nov-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
You're welcome!

They actually say it right on the tags xD The Baby skirt in English: "Do not leave the product wet, dry immediately. There is possibility of color shift and fading, cleaner's advice recommended. Friction can cause color shift." I may be reading too much into it, but in my experience color transference is a clear sign of color bleeding when washed.
8th-Nov-2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
I'd like to thank you for the pictures to!
I quite like the btssb alice print! and these close up shots made me love it even more.
I guess I will just admire it from far away!

I also loved the ivory colorway, but the red is also super cute!
8th-Nov-2012 07:27 pm (UTC)
Thanks! (:
8th-Nov-2012 03:52 pm (UTC)
I have one older print skirt from Baby that has the same petticoat weirdness! I've heard it's quite common. It's quite annoying so I just roll up the lining fabric to my waist (it gives some poofiness like that!) and put a normal petticoat under the skirt. :D

Your animals are so cute!
8th-Nov-2012 05:24 pm (UTC)
I had one too, and it drove me nuts because I couldn't fit a petticoat under it. Mine was actually stitched to the skirt with little tacking stitches too...
8th-Nov-2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
Yep, same with mine! Come to think of it, this not-fullness was one of the reasons I sold my Baby JSK...
8th-Nov-2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, thanks for the advice, I'll try to do it!

Thanks! You can actually see my second cat in one of the mirror shots :D
8th-Nov-2012 05:04 pm (UTC)
The prints are very fun but I was unimpressed by the cost vs. lack of detail in this series. I hope you enjoy them nonetheless!
8th-Nov-2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, there's no creativeness in the skirts' design, but they cost the same as usual, so no biggie?
8th-Nov-2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
It actually costs a bit more, probably because of the Disney name. Their print skirts are typically around ¥16,590, whereas the Disney collaboration skirt was ¥18,690.
8th-Nov-2012 05:06 pm (UTC)
Pretty! I like the Baby skirt more because the illustrations remind me of the movie more.
I think you'd be pretty safe wearing this to Orlando, but would you really want to wear all those layers? And lolita shoes and socks? Orlando is so hot, and you're there to have fun. Plus if the skirt might bleed if it gets wet, that means you can't get on Splash Mountain or the other water ride, (can't remember it's name.) I think Disney world just really isn't the place for lolita unless it's like the most casual ever. Those skirts are fancy enough that they don't look like they'd dress down well.
You should go to Disney World and then change and go to dinner at Downtown Disney in lolita or something :)
8th-Nov-2012 07:26 pm (UTC)
Woah, thanks for the advice! I actually didn't think of the weather at all! I've only been to Tokyo Disneyland once and there were plenty of Lolitas but it stands to reason that you wouldn't get enjoy riskier rides wearing a petty and everything.
8th-Nov-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
If it's the spring, it might not be too bad, but I'd hate to get all sweaty or worry about your clothes getting untuckedand not have as much fun, I'd wear something cute but comfortable. .
You probably don't get many chances to go unless you live really close, and even then it's pretty expensive.
How does Tokyo Disneyland compare to Disneyworld? I guess it's smaller.
8th-Nov-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
Well, I haven't been to any other Disney parks other than in Tokyo (such a pity I didn't go to the one in Paris!), but it seemed pretty big to me? It's separated into Disney Land and Disney Sea, with the more exciting rides in Disney Sea (according to my friend who lives in Tokyo and has a year pass to the park, haha).
Oh, I've been to the Universal park in LA, and Tokyo Disney Land is definitely bigger!
8th-Nov-2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Fun! I think Disney World just has the 5 parks, plus the 3 water parks, so it seems like it would end up being bigger overall. But Disney Sea sounds so fun! I love underwater themed stuff!
9th-Nov-2012 12:56 am (UTC)
Quickly jumping in to say I used to work at the Orlando parks, and the only time you'd want to wear loli would be like December through February. Springtime is the rainy season there, and it's like sudden torrential downpours.
9th-Nov-2012 06:27 am (UTC)
Thanks for the advice!
Now I see it's not such a stellar idea to wear Loli (:
8th-Nov-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
It was awfully hot when my family went and we went in March.

I was ok in a t-shirt and shorts, but I was a kid, the planet was generally cooler then, and I still wouldn't have wanted to wear a dress--and as a kid I would throw fits when they tried to make me wear pants.
9th-Nov-2012 06:28 am (UTC)
Thanks for the advice! If I get a chance to go I'd rather go in something comfy (:
8th-Nov-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
I hate to say this but I don't think Baby's QC is what it used to be for a number of reasons:

1) they seem to be doing unlined waist ties a lot now, and with the fabrics they use for their printed dresses where the weave is super obvious, this looks awful.
2) the printed fabrics feel harsher than they used to.
3) rather than fixing their colourfastness issues, they've embraced them.
4) there is not a lot of thought put into the engineering of dresses--I saw a girl try on a dress that fit her perfectly, yet the button holding the waist ties on was overstressed when she took it off and tore a hole in the fabric. She fixed it but even so.

9th-Nov-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree and am so sad about Baby's quality control that I've had to stop buying their clothing. Almost every time I walk into the San Francisco store here I find something that is so poorly made I'm embarrassed that they have it on the shelf. I've found bodices where the front section is over one inch off of the center and dresses where the waist was actually around three inches off from side to side. Those poor employees probably hate it when I walk in, especially since I carry a tape measure around every day for work already :). I'm sure those sweet girls cringe when I walk in now.

Currently I'm still waiting for them to make my last purchase right on a dress that was so poorly made it was unwearable and they had to accept a return! The side seams were literally 3 1/2 inches different from side to side. I hate to say it, but I get better quality from Old Navy.
9th-Nov-2012 06:37 am (UTC)
I got an AP JSK off sale last year and it had considerable constrution faults, but I thought that's why it was on sale... Because I've never noticed such big issues before!
Of all the sweet items I have the best are probably Meta. Their quality is stellar; they use so much more material for their skirts and often have complicated construction with pintucks etc.
9th-Nov-2012 06:32 am (UTC)
I sold my only Baby JSK two years ago... I don't remember if waist-ties were lined or not, and I kinda like the fabric they use - but I don't remeber there being problems with print alignment?
I don't know, my main issue with the brand was that the length and shape of the skirt, but, yeah, the whole issue is kinda disappointing. Of all the sweet brands I have the best is probably Meta. I've never had the slightest issue with their quality.
9th-Nov-2012 03:37 pm (UTC)
They didn't case the plastic boning, or cap it in MT, so my JSK needs to be altered to fix it or remove it because it poked through the fabric the first time I wore it. :/

My Clock work teaparty skirt has the unlined waist ties too, and I think it looks terrible. I try really hard to tie the bow just right to hide it.

I got the Treasure Hunt in the Mystic Island JSK from them this past summer, and the measurements were off by 6cm on mine, while other people apparently got ones that were as specified. The seams look like they would pull and make holes if you stretch the shirring at all too.

I'm so disenchanted with them between those things, and the things I've seen from friends with their bags and shoes. I don't really even watch BTSSB releases seriously anymore; last time I ordered, they didn't send me an invoice then were unhappy at me for not paying... I just, really am not willing to pay so much when I'm not certain it's going to be up to snuff, and they aren't willing to provide a pleasant shopping experience, despite me following all their suggestions (like not to use certain email providers, how to fill out the shopping cart info, etc).
9th-Nov-2012 04:54 pm (UTC)
Damn, why does nobody post reviews then if it's become a common issue? D:

I mean, I've been buying mostly AP lately and I'm mostly satisfied with their quality - I haven't noticed anything really off except for that one OP I got off sale.

I mean, I have an old pair of boots by Baby and they've been mostly durable (although kinda terrible quality compared to my RL boots) and a pair of platforms that I don't wear because my dog ate the straps, but I've been reading the shoes drama and I wouldn't buy shoes from them again. OTOH, people post beautiful coord with their newest prints and no one mentions construction fails...
9th-Nov-2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
I buy mostly AP and IW (and I guess Putumayo XD though I only buy their stuff when it's on clearance because their material quality for non-cutsew things is lower than most brands) and I've been quite happy with IW and AP's quality. I meant to do a review of my new AP things because I ordered from all 3 AP shops this month (Japanese W/ fromjapan, International and AP-USA) but I've been really worn out.

10th-Nov-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
I have a pair of Baby earmuffs that I bought secondhand (y'know, the rabbit-shaped ones with the bows on the sides). The previous owner didn't mention it, but there's one of the bows that is not centred, like one edge is about 2-3cm longer than the other. And trust me, on such small things it shows. :(
9th-Nov-2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
I just ordered a dress from Baby and I'm waiting with fingers crossed that it doesn't arrive to me messed up. And I'm also hoping that it has lined waist ties and it's colorfast but we shall see. The first dress I bought from the BTSSB shop in Paris is well made and has stood up well over time (Ma Cherie JSK) but I've never had a print dress from Baby before so I'm a little scared since I've heard about their QC issues in my local community.

Something about unlined waist ties just feel tacky to me. I guess it's because I'm used to always seeing lined ones from AP and unlined ones remind me of replicas.
9th-Nov-2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
When I was a newer lolita, before I'd ever owned anything from BTSSB, everything brand I owned had either double sided (print on both side) waist ties, or ones with lining on the back. I used to think that the ones with lining instead of the same fabric on the back were really cheap looking, and that bodyline and discount places like that were the only places that wouldn't at least line the waist ties. So it was a bit of a shock the first time I saw that on a BTSSB piece. Actually, I'm pretty sure all of my BTSSB items have single-sided, unlined waist ties. Granted, BTSSB is one of the brands I have the least of.
10th-Nov-2012 05:21 pm (UTC)
I'm fairly sure they've pretty much always done unlined waist ties. I have have pieces from '05, '07, '09... all single-sided. The fabric seems to be hit or miss... I had to sell one skirt because I just didn't like the feel of it, and it wrinkled too easily. But I had another printed skirt from the same year and it's completely different. Not sure on their recent stuff, though, as mines all pre-2011
8th-Nov-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
I go to Disneyland in loli all the time and have never had an issue. My good friend was told once that she couldn't go in but they brought in a supervisor who took one look at her and said "let her in" I also see lolis there fairly often. Some even do wear the big wigs and OTT sweet, but I don't see how that would be very comfy for a day of walking around.

Be careful of what you wear to the parks though.... Especially in Florida there are a TON of water rides/ features/ things that throw water on you. At Islands of Adventure EVERY ride had a water element- even the Harry Potter/ Hogwarts ride. You want something that is colorfast and can put up with a bit of abuse.

As for the skirts, they are lovely. Baby/ AATP are atrocious at print matching. They don't even try to make their seam placement make sense. My Trick Hat Prick Heart JSK hat a mutant hat Frankensteined together from 2 different hats. Most brands put some thought into the placement but Baby not so much (although my favorite print seam has to be the very neatly matched and sewn monstrosities that are the 2 headed deer on the sides of Lotta Deer from IW)
Juliette et Justine is the only brand that I know actually does print matching.

I have the same lining issue as you with my AATP/ Baby skirts. If I know I will not be selling it later I just cut straight up the sides of the lining. I leave the built in petti in because I like it but like you I can't fit my favorite pettis under the lining.
9th-Nov-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
Oh my God, that poor hat and deer xDD
This is ridiculous, really. I understand they probably don't want to lose any of the material, especially with bigger prints... but still!
9th-Nov-2012 10:20 pm (UTC)
I really want to like this because the design is great, but the print is completely drowned out by the monochromatic color combination. It just drags the whole feeling of the print down by making the beautiful images and patterns look less awesome than they do. I would have liked to see much more of a color pop, especially with a Disney collaboration.
10th-Nov-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
I adore this print. I think I really like it in the navy. I'm a huge disney fanatic and I love alice in wonderland plus BTSSB is my favorite brand so this is a must have for me. Any idea how someone in the US might be able to get a hold of this? It says on the site they wont be taking orders for it over seas. Can anyone recommend a good shopping service or something that might help me with this?
11th-Nov-2012 07:48 am (UTC)
I got mine wiht chibi_tenshi's help, but the more popular colorways are probably sold out at the store. I guess, the only way to them now is via auctions...
11th-Nov-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
The maroon skirt is breathtakingly gorgeous. *all of my want* And your pets are super cute :)
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