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Warning to Members Considering Purchasing from Oo Jia 
16th-Jul-2012 12:13 pm
While the user Oo Jia is currently banned from our sister sales community due to a failure to follow our posting requirements, we are aware that many members of EGL still purchase from her via Facebook and other social media sites.

Although she is not a member of our community, in light of a couple of recent situations, we'd like to issue a formal warning to those contemplating purchasing from her. Recently, she sold a member of our community an "authentic" Angelic Pretty item. When the item arrived, it was revealed that she had sold the member a higher-quality "factory replica" that was not an authentic product. You can read more about factory replicas here, and more about this situation here. While the buyer was eventually refunded, we advise you to proceed with extreme caution when purchasing from this seller. You should not buy any item labelled as authentic from her unless you have clear, undeniable proof that the item is, in fact, authentic.

In general, we urge you to exercise caution when buying brand-name items from any source other than a brands' official site, an authorized retailer (e.g. Harajuku Hearts, Tokyo Rebel), or an established consignment store (e.g. Trample Clothing, Closet Child). Especially when it comes to printed items, brands typically use unique tags, custom lace, and difficult-to-replicate details like special beads and charms. Before making a purchase, we urge you to examine resources like HelloLace and Lolibrary, to familiarize yourself with the details of the original pieces, and request photos of these details from sellers. By doing this, you protect yourself against counterfeit products sold as the real deal. You should be wary of any seller who cannot or will not provide these details, or who claim their pieces are missing tags, unique charms, and so on. Sellers, before posting your brand-name items for sale, we advise you take photos of identifying details of your pieces- tags, logo-stamped charms, and custom lace are good places to start. Showing these details will reassure your buyers that they are buying genuine products.

If you are selling a replica product, as always, we require you correctly label it as such. You may not use brand-specific tags and you may not sell it as a brand-name good. These requirements are in place for the protection of buyers- it simply is not fair to mislead them into buying an item.

If you have erroneously bought an inauthentic product, we suggest you file a PayPal dispute immediately. PayPal's terms of service unambiguously restrict the sale of counterfeit goods (you can read more about the policy here), and if you have received a counterfeit item you may file a claim with PayPal to receive a full refund.

As always, we wish you the best of luck buying or selling lolita :) Please let us know if you have any issues or concerns relating to this announcement or any other purchase!
16th-Jul-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
I had heard about Oo Jia, I don't remember from who, but I went on her face book page and I saw all the beautiful replicas other girls received. Being a plus size girl myself, who usually has an impossible time fitting my 42" into anything and being a gothic/classic lolita to boot , thought this was a wonderful opportunity! I had never commissioned anything before, so I knew I was taking a risk from the begging so I contacted her with my request details. Communication was difficult initially , both because of the time difference and somewhat of a language barrier but eventually, after speaking with her on face book for 2 hours, I was confident that I got my measurements correct and got across what I wanted. I even sent her a pic of the dress I wanted numerous times.

I didn't hear back for about 2 weeks and when I finally did, the fabric that came in was the wrong one. I had to wait another half month. She promised all of us that ordered the same print, that was taking so long, a free petticoat with the dress. I was so excited. My order, by the way had been placed back in March. I didn't get my dress in the mail until June 26th. When it finally arrived,lo and behold, not only were the measurements off, it was a completely different dress design than the one I originally gave her.

Here is a photo , for your reference:

I sent her a pic of the dress by itself. She wrote back, claiming that it was the same dress. That this was in fact the design I requested. It wasn't until I took the pic of the dress I wanted next to the one I received that she was finally convinced. She offered to make me a new dress. I sent her the measurements once again and gave her a deadline. I finally got a pic of the dress and it's the wrong length, despite having given her a breakdown of measurements for each part of the dress.

I don't know what is, I guess maybe I'm just one of the unlucky ones, because I keep seeing pics of girls that have received their beautiful dresses and have been so happy. I don't think I'm ordering from her again. I just don't know who else to order from , that does good , custom made replicas that is US based. I wish she could refund me some of the money for making me wait for so long. sigh.

So yeah, that's my experience. I feel scarred.
16th-Jul-2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
I don't think any US seamstresses create replicas due to the ethics and illegality involved, but there are many who make beautiful original pieces with outstanding quality.

Edit: Any decent, or reputable US seamstresses, that is.

Edited at 2012-07-16 08:19 pm (UTC)
16th-Jul-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
I don't think this should be labeled as "scam"

Oo Jia is not out to scam anyone. She refunded the girl once she realized her mistake. It's cute that you guys are trying to be vigilantes, but you're basically warning against someone making honest mistakes.
16th-Jul-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
I don't understand how a thief shouldn't be labeled as a scammer? She steals art and resells it as her own.
She willingly knew and sold that piece as authentic Angelic Pretty. She previously sold those factory knock offs so there is no way she wasn't familiar with them.
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16th-Jul-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
Mods, I just wanna say thank you for keeping us informed.
16th-Jul-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
Oo Jia has many many girls lending her original brand dresses to work from. I'm thinking that she could have possibly been given the replica as an "original" and didn't bother to check whether or not it was authentic. A very stupid mistake, yes, but it's possible if the replica was of good enough quality. I also noticed that in the original post the girl made, the knock off had an Angelic Pretty tag sewn into it. That's just messed up.

I am not convinced that Oo Jia is out to scam anyone, but I'm glad this was brought to everyone's attention just in case. You can never be too careful, and to heed this warning would be in your best interest. ALWAYS check to ensure your item is authentic. Ask for many detailed photos, and if they refuse, you can bet they're selling a rip off.
16th-Jul-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
I understand that there is a possibility that this was all just a big mix up, but I don't understand why she would be selling one of the dresses (replica or not) that someone lent her to make a replica from? The dress Oo Jia sold had to be a dress that she, at one time or another, bought.
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17th-Jul-2012 03:01 am (UTC)
She just posted on Facebook about all of this.
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17th-Jul-2012 05:11 am (UTC)
I find that the discussion has taken a rather ugly turn which may be unfair to Oo Jia.

The original post is about an incident where she apparently sold a girl a replica at brand price.
As to why and how that could have happened, honestly, none of us here can be sure. The intention of this post is
to educate buyers on what we ought to do when buying second-hand brand originals. And also perhaps to warn
future buyers not to buy brand originals from Oo Jia.

However, I don't agree to certain people resorting to calling her a "thief" just because she does replicas.
She is not the only person doing replicas of brand designs and prints. There are so many of such sellers on TaoBao.
How come people have failed to mention Dream of Lolita who does far many more replicas and whose replicas are on sale at
the sister sale site? What about people who buy the replicas for various different reasons?
When there is demand, there will be supply.

Don't make this thread into a personal attack site against one seller.
17th-Jul-2012 06:02 am (UTC)
No, she is a thief, just like DoL is. Sorry.
17th-Jul-2012 07:26 am (UTC)
Ok, just wants to give my two cents here, both on the OP and the discussion that has followed.

Oo Jia just posted on her facebook about this issue. She says that she didn't know the dress was a fake because it was a high-quality replica that she hadn't made herself. She had never seen Dream Sky in person and just assumed that what she had bought was the original. That is why she sold it as the original. To me that does sound like an honest mistake. Just because she makes replicas does not make her an evil scammer, imo, and assuming such is wrong to me considering that what she is doing is legal in her own country. Per definition, she is not legally doing anything wrong. She is really open about her business practices. She's not "pulling a DOL" and claiming that the designs are her own. Everybody knows exactly what they are going into when buying from her, and every single time I have bought from her and there has been some kind of (human) mistake, like a factory mistake with the "Midsummer Nights"-fabric where I had to wait for a couple of months, she has tried her best to fix the problem and my dresses has always been beautiful and fit like a glove. I understood that it was a mistake, but patiently waited, and got what I paid for and a sincere apology. Oo Jia is a lolita herself, who wears and loves the fashion, and "in before 'But she makes replicas, how can she love the fashion!?' - I love the fashion. I wear replicas. I'm sure all the girls who receive their replicas gets just as happy as any girl who receives their original dress. That's what I see in all the arrival photos, at least. Where I live, owning replicas is not a crime. Where Oo Jia lives, making replicas is not a crime. Nothing leads me to believe that Oo Jia is out to scam anyone.
She is not Milanoo. Then we can discuss the moral and ethics of replicas all we want, but what has come out of that the hundreds of other times we did that?

Everything stated above is my own experiences and opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.
17th-Jul-2012 07:38 am (UTC)
As I said up above, please don't take this announcement as anything other than what it is- advice to proceed carefully when buying brand-name items from any unofficial source. If the situation occurred as you and Oo Jia claim it did, that's fine- but it still should give members pause. That's a clear indication that she can't differentiate between replica and authentic items, and that members should educate themselves and know to request proof before buying from her.
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17th-Jul-2012 09:12 am (UTC)
woah woah woah WOAH!

From Oo Jia's FB:

'2. I sell the dream sky black op to a girl last week,the dress I bought it several months ago .when I bouhgt it I was told that it is same as original just from same factory and miss the collar label ,same fabric ,same lace ,same star buttons.I never seen the original dream sky ,so I think it is original ,because everything is perfect .my replica is different than this one ,I would not like scam anyone and no need get $400 profit from this dress.I can show the proof if I have not got refund this week(I was well aware of what it meant if post her email ,but it is unfair if you think I am a scamer)'

I was willing to believe that the people saying she had previously sold factory knock offs (not at brand prices) had got mixed up and they were actually being sold by someone like loli loli paradise and that Oo Jia genuinely didn't know.

Why would you openly admit to knowingly selling a fake for $400? A dress out of the same factory with the same fabric is not a full brand piece and is not worth retail, let alone scalped prices. If I worked in a factory and stole a designer bag before its tag was sewn on it I could not sell it for $1,000 despite the fact that the only difference between the one I had and the ones being sold in shops for $1,000 was a small square of fabric.

Replica wank aside, knowingly lying to someone and scalping a fake dress for at least four times what you paid for it is really low and definitely counts as scamming. I am so glad that it was caught and she was refunded.
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17th-Jul-2012 09:53 am (UTC)
If she is a "thief" and so is DOL, then why are we allowing replicas to be sold on EGL Comm Sales?
In a way, the Lolita community is condoning the actions of replica sellers and buyers.
Why are we contradicting ourselves? It doesn't make sense.
17th-Jul-2012 12:16 pm (UTC)
I personally believe replicas should not be sold on the comm out of respect for the designers, but that's just my opinion.
And I'm not sure where you're getting this "the comm is condemning the actions..." bit from because this post is just to alert people. It is a possible scammer request.

The comments from members, not mods in this thread are mostly anti- Oo Jia or anti-replica.
17th-Jul-2012 01:19 pm (UTC)
" I sell the dream sky black op to a girl last week,the dress I bought it several months ago .when I bouhgt it I was told that it is same as original just from same factory and miss the collar label ,same fabric ,same lace ,same star buttons."

So that would be a confession that she was aware that it was a factory knock-off, would it not?

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17th-Jul-2012 01:25 pm (UTC)
That part confuse me. The "original" never had same star buttons/beads. Did she forgot about it when she bought it?
17th-Jul-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah don't buy from Oo Jia she is a scammer bla bla bla ♪
If you are going to start with this, then you need to tell scammer to Bodyline, DoL, and other taobao stores, i UNDERSTAND why many of you are angry, but talking about selling/buying replicas like something wrong (YES! it is WRONG I KNOW) when even at least 9 of 10 of us own a replica, for me is just bullsh.t. and i'm not talking about only dresses, i'm talking about shoes, bags, socks, etc...

17th-Jul-2012 03:20 pm (UTC)
The point here is not that Oo Jia sells replicas; the point is that she knowingly sold a fake product as authentic.
17th-Jul-2012 03:42 pm (UTC)
I would suggest making tag detail photographing for brand items mandatory for future sales - just to be on the safe side for buyers and sellers. No disputes can be raised if the proof is there on the sales page!!

Also, I'd love to see measurements included in all posts - sometimes it can be several hours between posting a request for them and actually getting them. I kind of feel they're necessary due to the huge variety of sizes provided by brands, shirring possibilities etc. Do the modding team have any such plan in place, as I feel it would cut down on lots of unnecessary questions in sales posts, and running both the seller and potential buyers around.

Thanks for posting this warning. I've seen the story unfolding but there are many who do not follow discussions closely - I'm sure they will be happy to be notified of any developments like this. :)
17th-Jul-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
I agree about the tag pictures. I always include them in mine because I prefer it when sellers put them (I usually request them just in case).
17th-Jul-2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
I hope you guys feel really bad about what you have been saying about Oo Jia. Even if she is a replica maker, it is not fair to treat her like a criminal. Plenty of people buy from DoL and I don't see a post about them! They even use pictures of the original as stock photos sometimes, unlike Oo Jia, where you always see the product before she ships it, if you request it. As far as measurements go, of course they are going to be off sometimes because you are not there to be fitted, so it all has to be done by guess measurements. Sometimes dresses are not on time and that's because there are only 9 people (plus her I believe)who run the business. She is very upset now about all the gossip that has been spread about her, so if that's what you wanted, good job. I can't believe that you would take some trolls comments on /cgl/ as fact. I'm really ashamed of the mods here that would allow a post like this. The Dream Sky OP was a MISTAKE, not done on purpose! Please get your facts straight.
17th-Jul-2012 05:01 pm (UTC)
Hi there,
If you carefully read the announcement, you'll see that the moderation team is not accusing Oo Jia of scamming. We are merely providing information to members to enable them to differentiate between authentic and replica products. This way, members can buy and safely know they are getting what they pay for.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you or Oo Jia have an issue with moderation protecting members by providing factual information (in this case, that any non-official purchase of a brand item is risky- whether it is from Oo Jia or not!- and members should educate themselves in order to remain protected), you may wish to go elsewhere. The safety and education of our members is of the highest priority and we will not sacrifice it because someone doesn't like what we're saying.

Edited at 2012-07-17 05:01 pm (UTC)
17th-Jul-2012 06:17 pm (UTC)
thank you mods for the warning

17th-Jul-2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
I think this might have been more what you had in mind:

(but really we shouldn't start with the macros I have a whole folder that I can't use because of reasons, and if you get me started my only response will be snarky GIFs.)
30th-May-2013 08:16 am (UTC)
The link about the situation between Oo Jia and the buyer has been removed or something because you can no longer view it
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