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A-Line vs Cupcake petticoats? 
20th-Apr-2011 04:38 pm
I'm not quite sure how to phrase this, as my wonderings are kind of vague and I haven't been able to find any specific information elsewhere.

I know how to tell the difference between an a-line and a cupcake skirts, but are there different pettis for the two kinds (is a "long petticoat" an a-line petti)? And if so, can a cupcake-shape petti be used in an a-line dress of the same length? (or am I completely wrong and cupcake skirts are a-line skirts?)

The reason I ask is because I like a lot of poof in my skirts, but I prefer the a-line silhouette. So, like this;

But I can't imagine how you would get that shape.
I rarely see on d_l an a-line with a lot of poof like this. Is it because you need a-line petticoats doubled-up, or because people aren't wearing pettis at all?
To be honest, I'm very confused and may have further confused myself, but I guess what I'm asking for is
how do you get a nice, appealing poof in an a-line skirt?


Thank you for your patience and help. c:
Comments 
20th-Apr-2011 10:50 pm (UTC)
You can either double-up 2 mild a-lines or specifically commission a very strong single petti. That kind of flare is impossible without a petti. XD A 'long' petti would indeed count as an A-line, but it's best to ask for pictures and length measurements, as for all you know they may really be custom cupcake pettis that have been extended.

Classic brands like IW sell A-lines as well, but they're heinously expensive. The amount you're asked to pay for one (which the brand doubles up under their example dresses anyhow), you could get a buttload of custom ones. They're worth taking a look at though so you can see how such a perfect A-line is constructed - the key is that the upper is flatter material while the volume builds up with extra embellishments/ruffles towards the midsection and bottom.
21st-Apr-2011 01:22 am (UTC)
This is very informative. I will definitely take a look and do some more research. Thank you so much!
20th-Apr-2011 10:50 pm (UTC)
Is there supposed to be a picture? Because it's not showing up.
20th-Apr-2011 10:57 pm (UTC)
I am not the poster, but I discovered that if for some reason you copy and paste the image url into your browser and then click back into this thread, it will show up o.O
21st-Apr-2011 01:23 am (UTC)
That's odd. Perhaps it's because I'm hotlinking. It's just an image from HelloLace. I'll fix it.
21st-Apr-2011 10:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah. HelloLace actually says that their images can't be hotlinked. If you hotlink, the picture will just disappear. Also, the comm rules states, there is not hotlinking because the comm is big enough to crash a site.
20th-Apr-2011 10:53 pm (UTC)
Brands ALWAYS use double pettis in their stock photos. For something like that, you'd need two a-line petticoats like shincaru said.

I wouldn't recommend trying to stuff a cupcake petticoat under a skirt like that because it would end up looking weird.
21st-Apr-2011 01:24 am (UTC)
Well that's just rude of them! XD Thanks very much.
20th-Apr-2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
I think in order to get that much poof in an A-line, it would just have to be structured appropriately.

As a seamstress I have made several cupcake shapes and only one A-line so I am not 100% confident in this but I believe it just has to do with layering the tulle a certain way.

My favorite way to get an A-line shape is just with tulle or netting sewn at the middle to bottom only in a stair-step way (one on top of the other just slightly higher up) and then with a single layer over those that is sewn all the way to the top. Does that make sense? I am sorry to say I am terrible with descriptions but with enough tulle and the right layering it should give that affect.

As far as the picture being much poofier than other A-line pettis, I simply think it is a matter of more tulle and poof. The picture probably does have two stacked on top of each other but I think it is certainly possible to achieve that with just one super petti :)
21st-Apr-2011 01:00 am (UTC)
That's cool to know; I'd been wondering the same thing..
21st-Apr-2011 01:19 am (UTC)
I understand what you're saying. Rather than layering two different length a-line pettis, create one petti with many layers of varying length, like a gradient. Thank you very much! I have a friend who is making me a petti so I will have to suggest this.
20th-Apr-2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
You probably can do that with an A line, but the dress has to let it. If the dress itself does not have that kind of room for the proof, then it wont work.

Like others have said, using more than one petti at a time will probably give you that poof. But do not try to use a cupcake one for that kidn of thing. Because a cupcake style has the big poof at the top of the petti, it will look strained because the dress doesnt have that room there.
21st-Apr-2011 01:17 am (UTC)
That makes sense. Thank you!
21st-Apr-2011 01:52 am (UTC)
Try a Malco Modes petti. They're huge and a-line; all you need is one.
21st-Apr-2011 02:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, I've been looking into them. I heard Candy Violet sells them, but I'm not sure. I'd rather not do an auction/buy from eBay if at all possible, but I don't think there is anywhere that I can get one otherwise.
Thank you for the suggestion though! c:
21st-Apr-2011 07:46 am (UTC)
Malco Modes has a list of retailers who sell their petticoats. http://www.malcomodes.biz/retailers.html

You're going to have to look through the list to find one thats near you/does international shipping though...
21st-Apr-2011 01:06 pm (UTC)
Alternatively, you could always post a WTB on egl_sales and see what you get. :)
21st-Apr-2011 11:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Unfortunately, the only Canadian supplier's website has disappeared. Oh well! I'll just have to pay extra shipping.
Thanks for the help.
21st-Apr-2011 03:00 am (UTC)
For this type of dress you definitely need an A-line petticoat, a 50's style one would be more appropriate because the waist band is longer and you can adjust the extra fabric up top with a safety pin if its too long.

Example:http://www.etsy.com/listing/72582063/1950s-petticoat-crinoline-tulle-cancan?ref=sr_gallery_4&ga_search_query=petticoat&ga_search_type=vintage&ga_facet=vintage

Only of course, shorter and well fluffier lol. But you notice the band of fabric on the waist is longer, if forms to the shape of the hips better giving them curves, and it will also do the same for the lolita dress example up top.
21st-Apr-2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, your link just redirects me to a general search for "petticoat," so I'm not quite sure what you mean. Thank you, though!
21st-Apr-2011 04:42 am (UTC)
I use a square dancing petticoat to get that sort of poof with A-line stuff.
21st-Apr-2011 11:56 pm (UTC)
What makes a square dancing petti different? Is it a style, or just a name that a certain brand uses? I know Malco Modes has a "square dance" petticoat.
22nd-Apr-2011 05:46 am (UTC)
Square dancing petticoats are used for square dancing..."square dancing" is not a clothing style, it's a type of dance in the same way that "ballroom dancing" "tap dancing" and "ballet dancing" are types of dance. Clothing that people wear for square dancing generally has full skirts and petticoats, and square dancing petticoats are billed as such because they suit the full skirts that people wear for square dancing.
23rd-Apr-2011 12:39 am (UTC)
I see! Thank you!
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