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27th-Jun-2008 02:26 pm
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So, I'm just dying of anticipation, waiting for my latest purchases to arrive, so I've been thinking of writing lolita-related stories in the meantime. However, I have a question.

Which would you rather like to read in a story or comic: a girl who wears lolita, where the plot is about lolita (as in Shimotsuma), or a girl who wears lolita, but her clothes are basically irrelevant to the story? What are the pros and cons of these? (And with this turn into a Novala love/hate argument, lul?)
27th-Jun-2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
both? i guess the life of a lolita, about whatever happens in said life, but also how the fashion affects it. -shrug-
27th-Jun-2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
27th-Jun-2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
Umm..I guess both.
I write manga as well, and I have lolita girls everywhere, yet I don't really involve the whole lolita history within- as it has already been made.
27th-Jun-2008 06:58 pm (UTC)
That's sort of what I was thinking. Because if I wrote a novel, it would be pretty much exactly like Shimotsuma. (Only maybe with AP instead of BABY? Lul.)

However, I can't think of a good way to directly involve Lolita fashion (in writing, anyway) without it that. The usual, "I'm oppressed for being different but I love it!" sort of thing.

I love Mitsukasu Mihara's work, because the stories have very "goth" plots, but I can't think of any that exactly point to Lolita (without the visuals).
28th-Jun-2008 05:13 am (UTC)
That might be easier for Mihara seeing as goth, Western or not, does have a philosophical base and the fashion formed out of and around the subculture. As much as we like to talk about lolita history and themes, etc, lolita is an instance where the fashion came first and a subculture was built around it. So unless your tale has lolita fashion be a key factor of the plot or a character (as in the case of Momoko), it:s going to be window dressing.
28th-Jun-2008 10:33 pm (UTC)
i'm inclined to agree with pgchan as in mihara the clothing helps to back up the psychological factors that involve having a "doll"
27th-Jun-2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
Just a judgment based off of how people have reacted before: unless you are an excellent writer, I would recommend you post it to your own journal. The subject matter much less than the quality of the finished work. Classic literature has general appeal because of engaging characters and elegant writing, not because the subject interrelates directly with the readers personal taste.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh, I haven't read your writing to know if your work is excellent, poor or some where in the middle; so please don't feel like this is a personal comment by any means. I am just saying be aware public posting will lead to critique whether or not you solicit it; so you should take your time and be sure your piece is appealing.
27th-Jun-2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, god, no, I wasn't planning on posting anything anywhere. I was just thinking about stories with lolitas in them, and wonering what other people's opinions on them were.

I don't think it would be...possible to publish anything...specifically lolita related. Would it?

(Sidebar: I've got a couple Saiyuki fics posted on FFN, if people are nosey and want to pick my writing apart.)
27th-Jun-2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
As a reader, the writing is way more important to me than which of those routes you would take. If you feel more strongly for one, and have a really awesome idea for it, I say go for that! Much better than trying to write what you think would be more "popular" yet isn't quite something you can get passionate about.

The only thing is that if you're writing for a more general audience, you're going to have to spend a lot of time explaining the fashion in such a way that they have a point of reference, because there's no way they can really see what it is you're talking about. You'll also want to avoid getting bogged down by details like the names of every single brand or all the different styles.

Also, the last thing I want to read is a Shimotsuma clone. There's nothing at all wrong with having similar themes (like isolation, sisterhood, shallowness, greed, etc.), but we don't need two Novalas, kthnx.
27th-Jun-2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
If I'm reading a book it's because I want a story, not a fashion magazine. I would prefer to have a character or story that involves a life style, and to a degree what is involved with it but please I do not care about how frilly your ass may or may not be or how it is hard to fit into society. Save the drama for ricky lake.

Or Call Christopher Moore. He's funny, I bet he could write a great lolita fick if he had the time or interest.
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28th-Jun-2008 02:59 am (UTC)
Lol. That's incredible. I'm working on the Island of the Sequined Love Nun. It's hilarious.. poor Tucker.

So post semi-unrelated. But this is a great book if you like to partake in the misfortune of others.
27th-Jun-2008 09:09 pm (UTC)
Ooh, you know, it'd be cute if there was a story about a guy who falls in love with a loli, huh? Just popped in my head, not saying "You have to do this one". xD

On topic, I'd say just make the clothes irrelevant. Heck, make her a loli that plays Halo and listens to heavy metal if you want, just don't do the Momoko thing.
27th-Jun-2008 11:53 pm (UTC)
where the clothes are important.

i would really love to see a comic about a lolita done in a more american style. D:
28th-Jun-2008 12:54 am (UTC)
I don't read manga. It would be nice to see a movie though, but one that's realistic, not like shimotsuma monogatari.
28th-Jun-2008 05:49 am (UTC)
I honestly think I'd be sort of annoyed if the clothes were irrelevant. Simply because then they are irrelevant and it would be easier to put her in a tee shirt and jeans. Like... I might pick up that story thinking "Oh, cool! She's a lolita! I can relate to that." but then it would have no point and the only thing I can see being accomplished would be the story describing her pretty dress before she goes on her adventure. I'd rather be reading something more interesting.

Besides that in stories (as opposed to manga) I feel a good portion of the content with many styles is describing everything happening to the person in the story emotionally and whatnot. And when it comes to lolita... Well, when I wear lolita I think about it a good deal.... so to me it would be like "...? Why don't you care? You're wearing a VERY PRETTY DRESS FROM AP."

However... in comic form I wouldn't care either way. As long as it's pretty to look at.

That was long-winded. I apologize.
28th-Jun-2008 08:30 am (UTC)
I think if it's a comic it should be a story about something other than lolita, with the girl wearing lolita clothes. If its just a written story it should be about lolita clothes.
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